there are multigenerational families, ranching families that found their livelihood being threatened. timber management is an issue. and we need to make sure we're actively managing our lands. you look at what's happened out west, fire after fire, devastation after devastation, you know, we need to actively manage. and i've always said that public use is important, and our lands are for the benefit and enjoyment of the people and not special interest groups. steve: there you go. although the special interests are steam ised today, but then again, sounds like a lot of people out in utah are are happy. mr. secretary, thank you very much for joining us today. >> always a pleasure. steve: thank you, sir. >> and merry christmas to you. steve: merry christmas to you, indeed. straight ahead, the kate steinle verdict sparked nationwide outrage and the illegal alien cleared of murder, even legal aliens are furious, the immigrants are, and that includes antonio sabato jr. who calls it an insult.