cooperating with the other side, and the president would have had the complete authority to do so, and flynn never would have been indicted, never would have turned as a witness against him. so i think the fact that the president hasn't pardoned flynn, even though he has the power to do so, is very good evidence there's no obstruction of justice going on here. brian: right. i think you need people -- some channels are hoping to see this -- >> oh, i think this is hope over reality. brian brian yeah. >> and the other thing they're claiming is that by the president trying to influence foreign policy during his transition, for example, by having flynn talk to the russian ambassador, kislyak, and say please either vote against the u.n. resolution or delay the u.n. resolution, somehow that's wrong, that was the right thing to do. brian: gotcha. >> i think he did absolutely the right thing by trying to stop the president lame duck from tying his hands. brian: professor, thanking so much -- thanks so much, appreciate it. joining us from miami.