we'll find out soon. not today, but we'll find out soon. today we will learn that the government promised that if mike flynn fully cooperates with them they won't charge him with the far more serious charges which would bring it up to the potential for 60 years. >> bill: it's hard to say how much clarification we have at the end of the day on all this, don't you think, judge, right now? >> that's a great observation. we won't have much clarification because the process of debriefing general flynn has not yet begun. what happened between the day before thanksgiving when the general's lawyers notified the white house that they were withdrawing from the joint defense agreement translates they were no longer on the same team as the president and would begin to point fingers was the general's lawyers began to tell f.b.i. agents and federal prosecutors what they believe their client has in his mind and in his records and in his