electronics very, very big and i'm telling you now, gift cards, toys an games you want to hold off till the middle of december, another app to take a look at. pretty good one, slick deals is another one. that will give you the ability to drag a price scanner and see this is the amount of money i want to spend on a certain tie tem that's on sale today, let me know where and how much when it hits the target or value i'm looking for, it'll let you know and you know when to strike on that one, deal news, 300 plus people sitting at one facility and they have their finger on the pulse of where the sales are happening by the minute and they publish the top 300 lists that are out there. >> let's round out some of the do's and don't's, you mentioned televisions, phones -- >> best time of year to buy a smartphone. best buy's deal came out, $150