and that was going to be it. so was it not the passion then for basketball - but really the money? - yes. - really? - yes. levin: were you naturally good? shaq: no, at first i wasn't good. but, you know, i just gradually worked, worked, worked. and then when my father showed me that article, that's when i really started focusing. you had problems dunking. as a youngster, i did. and my father changed that, too. - how'd that happen? - so one day in the game, i'm real smooth and i'm, you know, and i finger-rolled it up. my father called a time out, pulled me outside. he said, "come outside." he said, "what are you doing?" i said, "i'm just working on my dr. j." he said, "there ain't no dr. j. be shaq. you better start dunking every time-- every time you get the ball, you better start dunking." and he walked back into there. so i was so mad and so embarrassed that he did that, that i told my guy, i said, "give it to me." and from then on, i would dunk, dunk, and the crowd would go crazy. and i was like, "you know what? once again, sergeant phil harrison was right." 'cause once i started dunking,