he went from the most elite institutions on down and said this is how i believe. this is america how i view it he made us talk about it. >> talk about principled person. even to put kaepernick in the same environment, the same sentence is remarkable. that's however we have gone. again, i put him in the circle of snoopy dog. so if you want to talk about hero and people think snoopy dog is a hero, you put this guy into that same league that's fine. steve: he has been very impactful. he has changed the way americans, many, watch football. >> the good thing always good that comes out of everything. the good things we're having with this conversation we will be able to deal with the real issues in the black community that's been quiet for a long, long time. thank goodness people are standing up. i'm excited about this. ainsley: a lot of people aren't even going to the games anymore. luke at some of these pictures where the stadiums are empty. where do we go from here. >> i experienced university of miami watched the hurricanes beat notre dame. brian: handily. they came out and put their