george bush, 87% increase. >> neil: i'm not casting political aspersions. i'm just wondering where the middle ground might be found. on this tax cut, do you subscribe to the belief that republicans are saying tax cuts he sometime hate revenues and growth and that goes a long way to paying this? you're in that camp that says no, not in this case? >> i'm not a dynamic scorer person. the reason, neil, i'm not, i think dynamic scoring is a gamble. do i think tax cuts or tax increases for that matter have an impact on spending and taxes? i do. so i don't think dynamic scoring is without a rationale. what i think it is a gamble. alan greenspan said these tax cuts will pay for themselves. five years later, he came back and testified before the ways and means committee, no, i was wrong, they don't pay for