instance from "the new york times" they have a ticker that has hours, minutes and seconds, how long before it's too soon to debate gun control? with 377 shootings. more than one a day. it has become like a formula what hap -- happens next. >> jon: judy, the indications are this is a guy who shouldn't have been able to buy weapons. dishonorably discharged from the air force for violently assaulting his wife and his child and then either lied about it on the applications or somehow, you know, somehow was able to get his hands on weapons. if somebody is intent on doing evil, they are going to do it, aren't they? >> they are. it is a lot easier to do evil with an automatic or semi automatic weapon and i will never understand why even if you're a hunter you need an uzi to hunt for your lunch. at some point we've come from sandy hook and the slaughter of