before the public did. that's what bob mueller's team is looking at. nothing may come from it. there may be no collusion. >> kennedy: there is also a lot of information on the email that clinton tried to withhold that the state department was more concerned over. information is information. if are going to go after george papadopoulos for lying to the fbi, that's understandable. we got supposed to do that. any rational adult knows that. you can't do that. so john podesta went before the senate intelligence committee and said that he had no idea how the dossier was funded while mark elias was sitting next to him. was he lying? [all talking at once] >> gillian: the key question is what was his role on the campaign? there has to be a ground truth somewhere. was he a hanger on, volunteer, or was he a foreign policy advisor? someone needs to be able to answer that question. >> kennedy: there were russian missives that were caught up in