bodies strewn all over the pavement there and people bleeding, you will drive very nicely for the next mile or so. then he will speed up again and go right back. that's washington. >> tucker: as you look around, do you think that influence peddling is as common as it was? >> absolutely. it is not only common, they are profiting more, the lobbyist and special interests, from the peddling. >> tucker: people seem much richer in washington than when i came here in 1985. >> i think that's true as well. i came here in 1981 and it seems to be that the town gets wealthier and wealthier. they say that four of the five top richest counties in the world or in the country of our attached to washington, d.c. >> tucker: one of the few people in washington ever to learn something from life. it's great to see you. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: talk about fighting terror, nbc news appears more concerned with is mama phobia. we will tell you how that