lying about a russian conviction. i spoke with glorious evidence -- larry sabato who cited as a bad idea for president trump to tweet about this case. >> we do not know what the mueller team has and what they are going to do. basically they abandon pretty leak proof. i think the leak about these indictments came from the courthouse and not from the mueller team. we will have to see how it unfolds. the president is convinced that there was no collusion. and he feels that very strongly. he has tweeted it out. i'm sure that his lawyers have told him to say little. >> jon: let's bring in a couple of legal experts, richard st. paul, a member of the republican lawyers association, and julian epstein, at the former judiciary and former staffer reform committee. i want to start with you. you know a lot about campaign law. does any of this in the indictment touch on doug trump