>> bill: 9:15 in new york. fox news confirming paul manafort and rick gates are indicted with 12 counts. conspiracy against the u.s. laundering money. false statements, seven counts of failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts. bring in davey hopee former chief of staff for paul ryan and marianne march former advisor to john kerry. what do you make of what we've learned so far on this? >> this is an indictment that was predicted more than a month ago by people. it is for things that happened well before paul manafort was ever involved with the trump campaign. they center around his representation of the ukraine and particularly candidate there and person who was president there who was very pro moscow. and exactly what happened here we'll have to wait and see. it has little or nothing to do with the campaign as far as we