exactly what happened, who knew what and when? >> jeanine: joining us now with reaction is salem radio nationally syndicated host larry helder and radio talk show host and fox news contributor tammy bruce. all right, tammy, i have to ask you this. we have leon panetta. everybody is giving him credit because he said obviously we have to look at it. then he took the slant "but these are big operations. you never know. the left hand may not know what the right hand is doing." what's your take? >> that's just habit. that's what they're always thinking and always saying. that's the dynamic. possible deniability when you know you're doing these things. the fact of matter here is though, clinton and the democrats have been very slop py. if you think about the pakista pakistanis running the dnc system, right? the server itself with hillary. these are individuals that have got anneway with so much for so long, they figure -- gotten away with so much for so long, they figure they're immuned and made of teflon. but they're not. when something is so much of a mess, you've got to at least stop the fire.