i met people who i never would have met otherwise. led remarkable lives. served their communities. who had deep thoughts about the way their communities and their governments should work. i learned a ton from them. that's really the experience. >> tucker: funny thing is you told me about this book a couple years ago. i thought it was a really cool idea. now it seems like a completely radical idea that no one would ever do. how do you think having done this and been in the media so long this divide effects the way that we cover news? it seems like most people who work are in the press are from one america but not the other. >> yeah. i think it's a fair criticism.m i think, so i was at npr for a long time. i still know that the people there try to tell a balanced story. but what i never gave credit for until this time is that they live inside a certain bubble. we all do. and it drives what stories are important and what source they look to. how they think about the story. and it's enormous challenge,e, i think for media.