columbus? >> it's the iconic symbol for italian-americans throughout north america. certainly in the united states. can't believe we are even worrying about this. tearing statues down. there are so many things happening in the world, the fires in california, las vegas, the hurricanes, puerto rico. this is all they've got to worry about, taking down a statue of christopher columbus? it's people with too much time on their hands. this is a great symbol and you broke it down beautifully who columbus was, a great symbol for the italian-american community, columbus by today's standards would be like an astronaut. what he did was the equivalent of going to the moon. was he flawed? we talked about this before on your show, of course he was flawed. we are all flawed. who are we to judge? he's the iconic symbol for italian-americans and we have h had, would you have been so disrespected and we will not take it anymore. >> tucker: i thought tonyymo soprano kind of summed this up as distinctly as anybody could on your show years ago when he said he's a hero, that's it, end of conversation. i thought that was kind of the state of play, how do we go from