debt. chris: but the fact is there is no evidence that tax cuts pay for themselves. the reagan tax cut back in 1981 added $208 billion to the deficit over four years. the bush tax cuts in 2001 and 2003 added 1 and a half trillion dollars to the debt over ten years. mr. mulvaney you can argue that tax cuts spur economic growth. i think that's a perfectly legitimate argument, there is no evidence that they pay for themselves. >> well, just look at the facts and you can go back, chris, and make an assumption and run some numbers but if we have 3% growth, which what we are trying to get, where we are at, by the way, right now, maintain that, if we benefit, the budget very nearly would be balanced this year, that's how big a difference it makes, that addition of 1% over ten years.