chinese and russians either together or one by one i will support north korea against the united states and our friends and partners. >> this struck me as particularly poignant, it's so often people refer to kim jong-un as a madman or crazy. in a way he's calculating. this from general bob scales in the wall street jurm. this regime has been in power for almost 70 years and understands the value of the long game. mr. kim wants to play nuclear blackmail. it's evil, it's dangerous, potentially catastrophic. but it isn't unpredictable. in that sense, are we looking at this too much from a western standpoint, of what kim wants his regime, survival, ensure regime survival rather than what kim says he wants, unify the korean peninsula with pors? >> excellent point. as you say, we look at this and say, well, why do we want our nukes? we want them for deterrents, we're not going to use them in an offensive capability.