founding fathers. you will see calls for thomas jefferson statue be taken down as a slaveholder. the thing anyone who was involved and the average confederate soldier who had nothing to do a slaveholding, their legacy will be attacked, and it's also going to be a big problem for one of the world's biggest religions whose founder was a slaveholder. history is complicated. if you want to tear things down, it's a terrible move and instead, history should be contextualized. >> bill: are you suggesting that bricks can be put on this or not? based on your answer, yes, it gets complicated but you're not suggesting that there is any end in sight either. >> i think the brakes could be put on us if we take the students of those kinds of people who are turned on monuments, committing public vandalism, not semidonors in the history that they are tearing down that those people are not going to be on a break. but if you have some more sound men and intellectuals who say there's a difference between nathan bedford forrest who committed war crimes in front of the ku klux klan and robert e lee who was a leader in bringing the north and the south back together more if you had