only time the export-import bank can do a loan guaranty is if there are not any financial banks that can fund it. so these days -- steve: most of the money. >> most are better than they were in 2008, and 9. steve: most of the money goes to big companies not small ones. >> that's because -- steve: the companies make the donations to the politicians like yourself who go in there and then get the taxpayers' money rerouted back to the companies who pay them in the first place. like yourself, you took money from boeing for your campaign? >> yes, that's right, and other companies as well. the reality is -- steve: yes, over 100 from the export-import bank. >> who got 100 clients from the export-import bank? what is the allegation here. steve: you? >> what are you saying, steve. steve: i'm saying that -- what i'm saying that your campaign contributions are connected to this argument because that's how this whole system works, isn't it?