for them? >> tax cuts, or tax reform should be deficit neutral. and we have that in our budget that it will be required to be deficit neutral. i want to be sure that people understand that that will be deficit neutral by using the tax provisions. when we talk about mandatory spending and the cuts in the mandatory spending and saving of $200 billion that's paying for deficit reduction. that does not go for tax cuts. it's two different avenues. >> neil: you use dynamic accounting, i don't want to get too wonky, and are you better than i am. you get growth and boom for the buck with tax cuts. but near term you know, you lose some revenue. are you and your colleagues factoring that in, that if you get tax cuts at least in the near term depending on their size will produce bigger deficits. near term before it gets better. >> you are right when you do the tax cuts, that's revenue that was there to begin w then you have cut that revenue.