could it potentially fit that strategy or not? john: i think the russians and chinese will try anything they can think of to gain access to key decision makers for all kinds of purposes. that's why this debate, those who say this was -- fits the pattern of a classic fsb operation. others say it looks like a bunch of much clowns trying to organize a clown convention. this is the world of counter intelligence. this is why people develop paranoia trying to determine whether somebody is a double agent or a mole. we don't know enough about any of this to come to a conclusion. the real issue is what exactly this lawyer, the lady who came to talk about had in mind.