normal. >> eric: i'm sorry. i want to brings b23 in, because that sounds terrible i want to bring kat in, that sounds terrible from a republican standpoint that when you shut down the government, it didn't work out so well. it was really bad for them. >> kat: absolutely. you and i are in complete agreement on this issue that this bill is a bad bill. it -- i mean, is paul ryan a conservative or is he not actually conservative? are a lot of these g.o.p. congressmen actually conservatives? if they say they are, what does that mean? i never thought conservative meant $200 billion bailout to insurance companies. i just simply didn't. >> of the bigger the bailout, the fewer the number of votes for people who believe in liberty and limited government are going to be there. >> kat: politically, i say that i'm terrified for the future of our republic is a free country. i think the bill shows that we have made gone so far left there is no turning back at this