with this rationally. that is why it is a matter of policy. >> kimberly: no one is saying not to deal with it rationally, but i'm saying as a former prosecutor, who dealt with a large immigrant population and illegal aliens coming in and committing crimes in san francisco, look at kate steinle and what happened therei this is a real problem that needs to be addressed. you shouldn't over -- tip it in the favor of people who are not following in the law and coming into the country illegally. >> jesse: look at trump's rhetoric. trump's rhetoric alone, i believe, has helped decrease the illegal border crossings andio that's a good thing. >> kimberly: his election. >> greg: in a weird way, he doesn't need the wall. he is the wall. you are saying illegal immigrant traffickers from central -- who bring central americans in complaining that they don't have any more clients. and i like -- i love aliens. i like illegal aliens when they do it right, when they sign up. trump is saving illegal aliens