it's reality. they are not the only country seeking to do that.be can i get an amen to that? >> well, preach on. look at china. in the '90s, giving a whole bunch of money to my party and to others, you go back into time. the british, in the run-up to world war ii, have an office in new york trying to influence us and get us involved in a war. that doesn't minimize -- pearl harbor was an influence on that, but the point is this. we have complicated relationships with people all around the world. and we always will. that doesn't mean we don't hold people to account and we don't push backd and in case strike back firmly.ba that's what we need to do with russia and vladimir putin. we need to be honest about what he does to his own people. that is part of what our values are all about as americans. that should be nonnegotiable. at the same time, you have to be thvery sober, to use a word, a sober understanding of the complexities of the world.