campaign, if they were given op research, isn't that what the dnc did with the ukraine? >> remember, let's put this into the perspective of what was going on. they were in the middle of a campaign. the heat of the campaign here. what happens? someone comes forward with opposition research. why did the dnc have their operatives meeting with the ukrainians and actually getting information? why is that not one standard and this is another? what law was violated here? some of the theories that some of the commentators have put forward are ridiculous. there was no illegality in that meeting. on top of that, there was no information that was obtained. there you have it. >> sean: we will take a quick break. more with jay sekulow and his reaction to our interview with donald trump jr. you don't want to miss this later tonight... speak of the democrats go again. trump colluded with lost the eln