awarded recipient, a female entrepreneur, $25,000 with a matching $25,000 offer giving it $50,000, very impressive. basically this female entrepreneur will get into specifics. there she is. >> absolutely. arthel: she won the odyssey pitch contest. so talk to me, if you could, about ways to find money. if you can't quite make it to one of your fantastic, you know, programs and your retreats, and how do you find the seed money to anyone watching and how much of a return must you offer or promise? >> well, that's a great question that you asked me because everyone didn't have to come to my retreat. first of all, there's a lot of pitch contests out there, but they don't train you how to pitch. so one of the reasons that multicultural women are not participating in these pitch contests is they are afraid.