even able to ask for these records until five years after president obama has left office. steve: unbelievable. it sounds like you're just making that up. sounds like something out of a movie, but that's the way things work unless the president himself, if he were to ask for those documents, they would give them right over, right? >> yeah. they still are federal records. they are under the control of the national archives and can he get them. if he needs them, the president to conduct his official duties, he can get them. subpoenas can be issued by congress to get them. a special counsel muriel, if he decides to actually investigate real crimes like the unmasking, the illicit surveillance. the leaking, he could get them if he issued subpoenas. so, there are options to get these records, and they need to be taken because, you know, there could be elements of the records in the other agencies but these are key white house records about what the white house was up to and that seems to me is important as anything