coul, but systemically, no, systemically, the islamic groups that claim to speak for our communities are in denial, they don't want to connect separatist ideologies, anti-semitism, misogyny. all the ideologies that are incompatible with the west, they don't want to connect that to the radicalism of isis. as a result, you don't see reform, you don't see move towards counterradicalization, it's just the anesthesia. we have to begin to wake up and realize that the radicals aren't created overnight. there's a process, a continuum that they get pushed down and we need to break the cycle and begin to own up to it. instead of being victims and part of a grievance narrative, become part of a leadership and say these lives are not lost for naut, we will counterpolitical islam and the separatist idea. that's what the reform idea is about. >> we're going to dip into sky