>> you wanted a chance? >> that's all i ask for, a chance. that's it. and this is my chance. >> eboni: this is my question. i know you've taken a position in the past, i will see what you say today, that she is an actual whistleblower and there was a lot of good that came from her. i can hear you there. what about the fact when you take that type of step to do what she did, you have to live with the consequences that come along with that. i don't know what she means by "all i wanted was a chance." you made a decision as a grown adult that you did something that you thought was in the best interest of your country, what have you, those are the consequences. >> katherine: make no mistake, chelsea manning, whistleblower. a huge difference. you know, the punishment too severe. >> eric: defined that. >> katherine: revealing civilian casualties -- >> eric: locations of military installments? i don't see -- whistleblower --