becoming, i think it shows how effective president trump is being. he has had a beheading situation, chelsea handler saying crazy stuff. all this goofy stuff over at nb nbc, i think president trump is doing it to them. he's driving a stake right between the heart of the left and he's peeling the fringe left out this way. now franken has to distance himself from people like kathy griffin but he's also driving a real wedge between the mainstream media and american public. they are getting so loopy and crazy and the public is just tuning them out. >> juan: i don't think the public is tuning them out. i'm just telling you, the ratings -- i think this is true across liberal or conservative outlets -- the thing that strikes me -- you don't like it when donald trump, our president, says things that are per provocative, insightful, rude --