immigrant who was radicalized with very, very, you know, sad results. as american muslims were looking at this in new york, we've got a couple of islamic councils that are coming together to figure out, you know, how do you respond to this. think about this this way, okay? isis came up as a terrorist force. what you're talking to a lot of religious folks, when you're talking to imams, when you're talking to muftis and that sort of thing, sometimes they -- the conversation in between us and the information security side of things in religion needs to happen, and those things are starting to happen. but if they don't happen in a much broader sense, we're not going to get to solution. leland: well, unfortunately solutions or lack thereof have deadly consequences, i should say. oz sultan, appreciate your insights. thanks so much. >> thank you. elizabeth: let's take a quick live look. we've been watching this scene develop. this is the truck that, unfortunately, mowed down a number of victims last night in london. they have since picked it apart.