information from someone. so somebody is giving information about a shakeup. when it comes to sean spicer, i'm always curious why journalists would be on his way out in a sense he goes out to the podium every day and acts the way president trump would act. he's speaking on behalf of the president and his contentious attitude with the press seems to be exactly what the president would do and want. this idea that he's somehow making the office look bad, making the president look bad, he actually speaks on behalf of the president, and i think he's doing what the president would do and therefore why would he be fired? . >> cnn made a big deal this week about one of the briefings was off arm. there was audio only, which cable networks ended up taking some of that live and cnn liberal commentator van jones saying sean is incredibly shrinking man. first of all, it's not unusual to have off camera briefings. every administration has done it. >> and probably do it --