background appeals to independent voters. a key factor in taking back the white house. here now to debate those efforts, former navy seal and trump supporter carl higbie and robin biro, democratic strategist. i'll start with you, first. what is this new effort by democrats to recruit veterans? tell us about it. >> honestly, this is nothing new. veterans have always been embraced by the democratic party. we pride ourselves on being the big ten party. o we have always welcomed people of all races, religions, sexual orientations, like i said, we are the big tent party. that includes veterans.. we have a huge veterans outreach. i will tell you thatp. hillary clinton actually had more veterans on her facebook page then did donald trump. she had a huge outreach. >> sandra: there does seem to be a concerted effort in this