>> eric: what i am trying to do is point out the importance of our southern border. of sovereignty. >> elvira: i agree with you. build the wall. but with big gates. we need a lot of people picking jalapeno peppers in southern california or oranges in miami or cleaning the toilets here in manhattan. we need them. if we don't want them, you know we need to do? implement e-verify. if it's bad for the guy to sneak in, it's a felony for the guy who gives him a job. what about people who say -- >> herman: if you show leadership and insist we've got to do this for the betterment of the country. >> kat: >> elvira: no one is goo do it. >> herman: you have to have faith. yes they will. i think it's a bad rap against business people. >> elvira: i agree.