was there? not that he was hacking medicare to smithereens and forcing grandma to eat dog food, but he was trying to slow the growth. that earned him the throw granny off the cliff monicker. fair? balanced? i don't think so. and to kennedy, liberator of all things that are numbers and facts, kennedy, that's where i think the disservice starts. we come out the gate calling things what they are not. like inhumane cuts. >> absolutely right. as you point out, they're not cuts. they're reduced increases in spending. so with this budget, you're still spending more money than you were in the past, but really trying to get to a baseline with certain programs having to deal with medicare and food stamps. it's a tough sell for republicans telling people, you know, there's dignity in work.