president came into office. it also comes as the u.s. and japanese navies have come together for wargames in the south pacific. laura: we have a lot to talk about. let's bring in kevin rudd who joins us by phone. he is the former prime minister of australia and president of the asia policy institute. thank you for being with us. >> do you think the response from the trump administration is going to be effective enough to calm the situation down? how do you think our allies will help handle this with diplomacy? >> remember the key objective is to bring about a change in north korean behavior. everything else is a sound and light show. the bottom line is what can you do to bring about a change in behavior. the outcome of the mar-a-lago meeting was for the two sides to work on a common diplomatic