small businesses and it medicaid is due for reform. that's not a choice. we'll reform medicaid, now or later? i think if people understood what was inside there and the realistic choices they face they would think about it differently. >> bill: the poll what should happen to obamacare? repeal all 19%. repeal parts 45%. no repeal, 34%. take the parts apart then. john kasich was on 45 minutes ago. he is making the case that you have to make it attractive to moderate democrats in the house because ultimately you have to get this thh congress. what would you do, what would be your idea? >> i'm not sure i agree with him that you'll get moderate democrats. i'm not sure we'll get democrats at all. whether that's good or bad we can debate it but i don't think it's realistic to have them participate. you need the moderate republicans. you can redesign the tax credits that gives better support for some of the older