about 150 people a year die in the desert, western pima county, a community event, i'm one of the only sheriffs that has an industrial refrigerator outside one of my district stations that only purpose for which is the stove store human remains of people who die in the desert. >> tucker: is awful, i agree with everything you say. nobody in washington wants to secure the border, that's why we've never done it. there's a lot of political pressure. democratic party once more voters, it's never happened. the beauty of the wall is it's permanent, and as permanent as things get. why at least not do that. if it's a cost to have illegal immigration, why not try that? nothing else has worked. >> tucker, there are many reasons. one is there is an infrastructure near the ports of the border that we want to construct a wall, the workforce we would need to secure a wall in a traditional sense. i would much rather we change the discourse to looking at a wall as an analogous term, and in impenetrable barrier that