the provision of reproductive health services. are they right or wrong? >> i think they're wrong. i think today's executive order was a giant step. i look at it, martha, more as a compost on a road map. i think there are more to come. i think it is saying we are changing the direction of government. its attitude towards religion, we are doing a giant u-turn. we will start protecting religious liberty instead of assaulting it. that is what was historic about today. by the way, martha -- >> martha: hold that thought, i went to bring on reverend barry lynn, executive director of americans united for separation of church and state. let's pull up this pew poll, it says during political elections, should churches come out in favor of one candidate over another? they say, should not, 66% they should not come out from the pulpit to endorse a candidate. reverend lynn, what are your