with machetes, they sell children into prostitution, and they deal drugs in poor communities. in what sense are they being "demonize"? what is the upside of ms-13? >> i'm not saying there is an upside. what i am saying is the attorney general should be more accurate on what he accuses them of. he accuses them of being in a cartel and they weren't doing that. he accused them of -- >> tucker: it's not my job to offend the attorney general's description but a cartel doesn't just refer to people, drug distribution, can be any group of people who are coming together for an illegal purpose or have a monopoly in the area. i think that is a definition. >> that's not the way it is generally used. that was my issue with him. i think why they are front and center in being called america's public enemy number one, which when you have that title, you will call a lot of attention to this group from all over. the reason they have been named