they murder people with machetes. they sell children into prostitution, and they deal drugs in poorut communities. in what sense are they being "demonized"? what is the upside of ms-13? >> i'm not saying there is an upside. what i am saying is the attorney general should be more accurate in what he accuses them of. he accuses them of being in a cartel and they weren't doing that. he accused them of --he >> tucker: it's not my job to defend the attorney general's description but a cartel doesn't just refer to people, to drug distribution. drug importation. it can be any group of people who are coming together for an illegal purpose or have a monopoly in the area. i think that is a definition. >> that's not the way it is generally used. that was my issue with him. i think why they are front and center in being called america's public enemy number one, which when you have that title, you will call a lot of attention to this group from all over. the reason they have been named that is because the horrific way that they like to kill people.