have all been outplayed by this gentleman. we'll see what happens. >> martha: this leader is in an untenable position. is it possible that the people of north korea, can he be toppled, if enough information in flow gets to the people of north korea? >> it's possible. we are seeing signs of instability. there are more defectors, their dvds are getting slept in, people are saying it, they understand more of the world out there. i got to tell you, the best thing we can do is hope that the chinese take this very seriously. i think that is what a lot of this is, compelling trying to make a difference. we cannot, president trump will not, i have confidence, accept a north korea with the ability to strike our allies or the united states. that only leaves one option if diplomacy doesn't work. let's pray tonight that diplomacy works. it can only work went back to the credible military threat. >> martha: thank you so much. good to see you, as always. for more on what we are hearing from the trump administration,