china to cooperate? if so, how aggressive will president trump need to be? >> it could take a whole lot of thing, china does not want north korea to be strong militarily. but the worst thing for them is to have more u.s. de dominance n the peninsula. nothing short of regime change is going to show instance gratification, the question i i have is trump administration going to be able to see this all the way through it going to be slow, and prodding. it will take a lot of effort to get it done. arthel: doug, might there come a day that president trump sits down with kim jong-un kim, and have a face-to-face? that is normally taboo. is that too far fetched?