beginning of a two-month process that sees 30,000 civilians exchanged ending years of hardship for many. some of the towns residents have been forced to eat rodents and boil grass to survive. in some government-held towns residents are being given the choice of reconciling with the government or leaving. they've been ask to swear allegiance to assad in exchange for amnesty. any military defectors asked to rejoin the army. beaten into submission. if you look at a town of 40,000, 38,000 will stay and swear allegiance to assad. >> bill: reporting from london on the latest there. >> shannon: let's bring in a member of the white house security council under presidents bush and obama. good morning, gillian. because you have this experience over multiple administrations now, what do you make of the latest moves by president trump?