what addicts would crush them or they would bite them and you can release the whole thing at the same time and get high. and on top of that, these things tended to be wildly over prescribed. i mean... >> tucker: wildly over prescribed. this is what i don't get. opioids are physically addictiv addictive. there was a pretty clear relationship here. why hasn't the federal government, which oversees this, not shut it down? >> well, i don't know how you shut it down, you know? you need to ban opioids? >> tucker: well, bandy promiscuous prescription of them in ways that are clearly detrimental for our society. >> that has tended to be a state responsibility, and i think the states are really beginning to do it. certainly, some of the states that i do this for this article like rhode island and maine now have in very different ways pretty serious regimes for