has a very narrow definition of success right now and that staying alive. there is no fallback option. those under to >> bill: you mentioned this last night. it russia. is russia stupid enough to get involved with poison gas? >> bad drones, as you talk about with catherine. i don't think -- i don't think, i know. assad is not doing anything without russian approval and russian involvement. this country was gone and lost until the russians showed up. assad is absolutely dependent on -- >> bill: if you were putin and you knew the world is horrified at poison gas killing 20 children. why would you -- i mean, why? >> i'm not sure, bill. look. why would a former kgb lieutenant colonel say okay to use sarin gas? >> bill: this kind of attention to syria because i