insurance. there's not a theoretical process that one bill can't do both. but white house at least right now hasn't put forward a bill that would do both things and satisfy both groups. >> so they talk and they say that talking is going well, but it sounds like to hear from paul ryan, they're not getting anywhere. this complicates matters for the budget. they could have saved $880 billion. now they can't. i don't know how you do budget now. >> that was the speaker's case for going healthcare first. that by saving money, by striking a healthcare deal, it would make it easier to do tax reform and do a budget. because you would make progress in chipping away at the savings you'd get from doing it. one interesting thing that emerged from the talks is that the tuesday group and the freedom caucus emerged with different understandings of what