that news interview on "morning joe" she said if the trump team knew how we got the information, they would try to expose our tactics. she hinted those tactics were illegal surveillance and collection of trump team members using reverse targeting. meaning, again, going after legitimate targets cleared to reverse target trump officials. it's very important that she be subpoenaed and talked to. she left the administration in 2015 to join the hillary clinton campaign. now she's coordinating with obama officials in the nsc post election to discredit the trump administration as they come into power. that's a problem. >> sandra: what you heard from sean spicer just then and you heard it over an over. you just heard it from john roberts. he continues to emphasize the media is worried more about the date and process than the substance. we should all be focusing on the leaks. that's what the american people should be concerned about. >> right.