take seminars on those books to spread the gospel, as it will work. this is the worst pseudo-intellectual pay for play. that doesn't guarantee you a platform on university campus. >> tucker: because he has not been published in academic journals and has not passed to the gauntlet of other professors assessing his work, though of course he has because he has been an academic. but by that standard, plato, aristotle, socrates, none of them, i recall, publishing and academic journals. is there writing also out of bounds on drexel's campus? >> i think the question is really also about the content of these writings. he's defined as a white nationalist by the southern poverty law center, somebody who burned crosses in his youth and went on to support -- >> tucker: let me stop you there. he burned crosses in his youth? i know charles murray and quite a bit about him.