here, at least at the very least with the perception that he's sort of blurring the separation of powers between congress and the white house. that's something that i think the white house could do a lot to clear up. >> sandra: you've got top democrats like chuck shumer who are saying he shouldn't just recuse himself. he should step down altogether. as we heard nunes on the o'reilly factor last night, he said, why should i? what's the answer we're hearing to that? >> well, we shouldn't be surprised that democrats are trying to take political advantage of this. that seems to actually be the story for pretty much all of the parties involved in this, which is you sort of take your own reality and say, well, this clearly indicates that the tpablgt facts that i would like to be true are true and tell this narrative. the problem is we just don't have enough facts for, for instance, who was nunes source in the white house? he told eli lake, a journalist, that it's not a white house